The once saved always saved theory although would most certainly bring comfort it does however not reflect the truth of the word of God. We read of one such statement from scripture of those who left Egypt were later destroyed after unbelief! (Jude 1:4,5) For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
There is another passage of scripture which describes it even better how although one had repented and experienced the heavenly gift of the Holy Spirit and had fallen away only needing to once again be renewed by repenting. It clearly says IF THEY SHALL FALL AWAY meaning they fell away from the faith they once had (Hebrews 6:3-6) And this will we do, if God permit. For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
People can and do actually forget the salvation their soul once experienced, and the pull that all the world offers draws them back to where they once were freed from. We are to make sure we always stand firm in our faith of the Lord Jesus Christ and as we partake of the knowledge of the Saviour of our soul we will be blessed and never baron of His wisdom.(2 Peter 1:5-10) And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barron nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins. Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall.
Dear people we can never go anywhere outside the realm of God that he does not know where we are. We can never fail so miserably that if we are genuinely and truly are sorry for an act against our Father in heaven that He will not pardon! He will however hold us accountable for our life choices and if they be of him we can rest assured that our salvation is sure!. God is ever merciful yet we do need to do our part (Psalm 139:7-10) Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or wither shall I flee from thy presence? If I ascend up into heaven, thou are there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou are there. If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea; Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me.
I just made a post a few minutes ago asking how Christians can all of the sudden walk away? How does one just walk away from God and say they don’t believe anymore!!!
I believe it happens that people walk away from God because they are as the parable of the seed and the sower as the seed falls on good ground and flourishes for a time, but when persecution starts they become discouraged and fall away . Then there are others who claim christianity,but were never really of us (The believer’s) and had a form of our religion, but deny the power thereof. Either way it is so sad to walk from the only hope we have while we live. I hear you it’s a mind boggler. God Bless and Keep you Always in His care Beth.
Julia
Thanks, Julia, although we disagree on this. No reborn child of God is perfect, so at what precise degree of sin is a child of God kicked out of God’s family? This theology seems to depend on a good degree of works-righteousness. Yes, there are those formerly “in the church” who “walked away” from God, but I would argue they were tares who were never genuinely born-again.
Sorry to hear we are not on the same page here Tom. When we come to Christ it is no longer we who live,but Christ who lives through us. Although there was no sin found in Christ we are instructed to cease from sin, and live to the will of God. (1 Peter 4:1-6). When you say no reborn child of God is perfect is to take on the saying many do which is ” I’m just a poor sinner saved by grace” then it becomes as works of righteousness which I do not agree with. When we are truly born-again we are a new creature in Christ and the old has passed away, behold all things become new including our life we no longer used to live away from Christ, but now walk in the Son of God. I do agree however how you say there are those who were tares and were never really born-again.You say No reborn child of God is perfect, but Scripture tells us in Christ we are perfect and complete in His will. (Hebrews 13:21).God Bless You.
Julia
Good mornin to you miss Julia.
In every scripture reference that you mention, I can show you what they mean, and how not one of them is referencing a Christian losing their salvation.
However you’ll have to not delete my comment.
Just let me know if you want me to help. 🙂
I leave you with this truth from scripture to ponder…
John 5.24
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
Julia, I also believe one can fall away from the faith. I personally don’t like the term “lose your salvation”. It makes me think of something falling out of your pocket when you go to the store. I prefer the term “fall away from the faith”. People for various reasons walk away from the Gospel. I don’t think it’s a matter of one particular sin, they just don’t believe the Gospel anymore. And I definitely do not believe in works righteousness. I believe salvation is a gift we cannot earn in any way. 🙌
Matthew. 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
I understand how you feel Cathy, I will reword down the road if I am moved to do another post on this subject. So thankful you do not believe in works righteousness. God Bless You Always. Stay strong in Him.
Julia
No need to reword. I wasn’t criticizing you at all. I just wanted to share my thoughts on the topic. ❤️
Always appreciated, and I look forward to hearing from you Always.
Julia
I just wanted to add that Christ crucified for us is forever fixed and true. It is finished. That will never change. We can choose to believe that or choose revert back into disbelief. I think that’s the crux of the matter. I think free will also enters into play on this topic.
You are spot on in your observation here. Very well said!. Blessings.
Julia
Thank you Julia, for having the courage to not only take on this topic but leave your post open for comments and to answer such. If you would rather not post what I have to say here that is fine. I’m not here to get involved in the OSAS war on your site, though I am a veteran of it, but mainly want to encourage you. It is difficult to fight valiantly and also use wisdom and few can do it but I am impressed with how you have handled it so far, as you have in other posts. I have tried telling drive-by detractors who venture to my site that I have many readers who support me and that when they trash me they are trashing them but it usually never registers.
Suffice it to say that one must be prepared for Christians who will obliterate the Golden Rule in furtherance of their Scriptural interpretations which prove their beliefs are either false or incomplete or somewhere in that vicinity. It’s a sad thing when a Christian latches on to something suspect and not supportable and not only puts it above the Lord’s overall teachings but is willing to fight forever to uphold it. They pass the point of being teachable on the subject. Being teachable demands humility. There is a reason the apostle Paul called such things fortresses (strong holds).
At the end of the day there is only one way to prove who is right. Paul also said this:
“And when I came to you, brethren, I did not come with superiority of speech or of wisdom, proclaiming to you the testimony of God. For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified. I was with you in weakness and in fear and in much trembling, and my message and my preaching were not in persuasive words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, so that your faith would not rest on the wisdom of men, but on the power of God.” [1Corinthians 2:1-5]
Most of Christianity is based on the wisdom of men rather than the power of God. Those who espouse the topic in question generally oppose the Book of Acts experience. This is interesting, of course. Some come out of darkness into greater light but refuse to venture into even greater light. Christians of all people should know that the Lord’s Light is infinite. This means nobody has it all but it is always possible to gain more. But if gaining more means losing one’s place of investment one will often sit tight, meaning the very thing they accuse others of being has actually happened to them.
Blessings to you
Rj you have given such good scripture in 1 Corinthians 2:1-5 and it confirms while we may post writings not everyone agrees with, we do know the one who has called us to do His will takes preeminence over man’s opinion. This was a writing I knew would cause some to fluff up and hiss at, but Our Lord never doubled back on what He knew was the will of His Father and we too who are called to do His will have to let the chips fall where they may. We’re not out to win a popularity vote, but to write what the Holy Spirit guides and directs us to. Thank you for this wonderful comment RJ. God Bless you as you walk with Him.
Julia
Falling away from God and going into a world of sin is our decision.
God disapproves of insincere conduct, such as when people deliberately transgress HIS law and believe that any sacrifice, whether of animals ( old ) or the sacrifice of Jesus Christ our Messiah ( new ) will atone for that sin.
This unrepentant, hypocritical attitude is contrary to what God intended!
Great comment Chuck! So true it is up to us as man has free will, sadly even to return to his sin as some will choose after being saved. Remember Israel was reprimanded for backsliding into their sin and is proof it can happen. God Bless You Always.
Julia
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